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Guide to Nanjing (南京)

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* Nanjing
  o Orientation:
  o Public transport:
  o Shopping:
  o Studying:
  o Bars / cafes:
  o Restaurants:

[top]Nanjing

[top]Orientation:

A medium sized city , 6 million people including suburbs, nanjing was the former capital of the
Kuomingtang government. It is located south of the Changjiang river with A large Xuan Wu lake and
Purple Mountain. The main universities Nanjing U, Nanjing Normal U, South East U, are located in
the Center of the city.

[top]Public transport:

The subway line 1 goes north from the train station south to Nanjing U and ends at the Olympic
stadium. Bus lines 9, 5 and Tourist 2 go to Purple mountain and Sun Yat Sen's Mauseleum.

[top]Shopping:

XinJiekou (Department stores), Fuzi Miao (Small retailers) and Hunan lu (boutiques ) are the major
shopping areas. The foreign language book store and two other book stores are located in Xinjiekou
and East of Xin Jie Kou.

[top]Studying:

Nanjing Normal Univerisity Chinese department is the most famous in Nanjing. But perhaps the most
difficult.
Nanjing University has an established program. Also at Nanda there is a Joint John Hopkins Nanjing
U Center for chinese. Other Universities with sizable foreign student populations are South East
University and Hohai Univeristy

[top]Bars / cafes:

The 1912 Bar district near the old Presidential Palace is the most popular bar area in Nanjing
with mostly disco bars. Foreign Student hang out also include Jimmy's Pizza Restaurant and Bar,
Behind the Wall bar, Castle Bar, and Scarlet's Luan Shi Jia Ren Jiu ba, Blue Sky expat Bar.

[top]Restaurants:

Jimmy's Pizza started by an ex-English Teacher has good food and the low down of where to go.
Skyways German Bakery near Nanjing Normal U gets you a big sandwich meal for 20 yuan. In the West
of Nanjing you can go to the Famous Wan Bu Liao (unforgetable) restuarant and order the specialty
Suan Cai Yu. There are some notable Musilim restaurants on qinghai lu near Nanjing U.

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Can anyone here tell me the ping ze tone pattern of Chinese poetry? Which lines are meant to rhyme
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Cheers Roddy... will look forward to giving it a whirl when I am in Beijing from this weekend...
take care mate...

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What service do you get down there? This makes it sound like you should get EDGE already.

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Hmmm I get the G now and then but not the E (which indicates edge, at least in the UK it does)...
maybe in Hankou its easier to get... will check when I am there this Friday, if I remember, its
farewell drinks time so may get foggy...

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Chinese Course - MS Word 2007 - Cannot get Pinyin with Phonetic Guide - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Chinese Computing and Technology

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With my Word XP (English Version) with Windows XP (English Version), using the Asian Layout
feature I was able to generate Pinyin above Chinese characters. However, I can not do this with
Word 2007 (English Version) with Windows Vista (English Version). I was able to find the Phonetic
Guide that led me to the same screen, but no Pinyin output. I would appreciate any guidance.

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poor_dad,

I'm amazed that you got it to work in Word XP in the first place. I gave up on it in Word 2003, as
using it a few characters at a time, and having to reset the fonts, font size, and the like each
time was totally frustrating me. I've noticed that each new version of Word is worse than the
last. So now I have yet another reason to think about downgrading instead of upgrading. Thanks for
that.

Lugubert -

Thanks, Luobot,

I'm running a Word XP = 2002, and here it works. The tiring thing is that it can only handle some
nine or ten characters at a time. Recording a macro doesn't work, because of the "intelligent"
feature that looks at results, not keys pressed. So when I run the recorded macro, thinking it
will take care of a newly highlighted string, it plays back the string for which I recorded the
macro...

I sure will wait for confirmation of better Word behaviour before upgrading.

ETA: I sure have the fonts etc. problem. So I convert the lot to Pinyin, using the standard
settings. Then I switch to code view mode, and make some search-and-replace, like SimSun to Times
New Roman, and variables normally to hps17, \o\ad, \up 17, jc0 which work fine for my eyes at 150%
zoom. When returning to normal view, I mark the complete document and set it to Times New Roman. I
then don't get the script-type 'a' officially required by Pinyin, but the 1 and 3 vowels don't
have the obnoxious extra space that follows them in my default setup. A bit tedious, but AFAIK
it's the only way to get the result I want.

atitarev -

Consider Wakan as a "ruby" tool. Puts pinyin/furigana above the Chinese/Japanese text. Copying to
another application puts the phonetic guide in the brackets.
This screenshot is for Japanese only:

With a bit of tweaking, this can be converted to "ruby" html pages.

http://www.kawa.net/works/cantonese/canton.cgi
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-ruby-19990322/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_characters

Try saving this piec of code in an HTML page, you perhaps need to install ruby support:
<html>
<body>
<RUBY><RB>你</RB><RP>(</RP><RT>ni</RT><RP>)</RP></RUBY>
&nbsp;<RUBY><RB>好</RB><RP>(</RP><RT>hao</RT><RP>)</RP></RUBY>
</body>
</html>

Kristyx -

Is there any update on this issue? I'm also using Word 2007 now. I know Word 2003 took some
patience to add pinyin but I can't even find the right tab to do that in Word 2007? Anybody know
how to do it??? Cheers

Sebastien -

An easy way to get the Phonetic Guide in Word 2007:

At the very top left, click the Office Button, click Word Options then select Customize. Drop-down
Choose commands from: and select All Commands. Select Phonetic Guide... from the list and click
Add > >. Click OK.
The new button is now available from the Quick Access Toolbar next to the Office Button.

Thought if you have the same bug as me, you might not get the pinyin when selecting a chinese
character... I'm working at it.

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Hello everybody!
I am in shanghai now since last novermber. I love this city hehe
But during my holidays I went to dengfeng to train kungfu in a school there and learn Chinese
language. And now I decided to go back!
So, my question is, is there anybody in who is at the moment in china and who wants to come with
me?
I really don’t like to go alone! I’ d like to find someone who also wants to do some sports,
martial arts in a real kungfu school in dengfeng, province henan!
Come on! There must be someone please 

I am leaving soon, so I would be glad to get some answers soon. Best is to write me an email!

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Hi there,

I have also posted a question abt studying kung fu, I am very interested but i will be studying
chinese in Beijing, wanna come over and study kung fu there instead?

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While using the Annotator on a bunch of characters (with the CEDICT dictionary selected), I
noticed that 做 didn’t get annotated.

Strangely, the ZDT Dictionary finds this character in combination with other characters, but not
when doing an “exact match” on this individual character.

The ADSO plug-in, however, does return a definition of “to do” in the Dictionary and Annotator
(it just seems to take much longer).

Would a dictionary refresh solve this or is something eating my characters?

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I too, would like to see dictionary updates on a more regular basis. I'm using the handedict
dicitionary most of the time. From observing the handedict website one can see that it is evolving
rapidly. Regular updates would be very useful.

Also, how comes that searching handedict or cedict is qite fast, while searching adso is very,
very slow?

bogleg -

Well the Adso dictionary has quite a bit more entries than Cedict or Handedict and it seems to be
pushing the limit of the database. If there's someone out there who's a database expert who can
help me either optimize my queries or the schema, I would appreciate it.

Regarding the dictionary updates, I can do that. Perhaps I'll come up with a way to allow you to
update the dictionary files yourselves as well.

Chris

drahnier -

Allowing us to update the dictionaries by ourselfs would be really great!

bogleg -

I've just posted updates to the Cedict (0.4.0) and Handedict (0.3.0) dictionary plugins based on
the latest dictionary files.

You can download them from here:
https://sourceforge.net/project/show...kage_id=167609

The cedict dictionary of course will come automatically with the next ZDT release, but feel free
to use it now. Just make sure to delete the old 0.3.0 version of the plugin and replace it with
this new one.

Luobot, thanks for pointing out the missing character 做. It turned out to be a problem with my
code.

Chris

drahnier -

Thanks for the dictionary updates.

May I also request an update to the Stroke Animation component? I misses a lot of the more complex
characters.

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skylee -

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhchao

But why ban her now if the movie has already been showing in Chinese theatres for several months
now?

Allowing the movie to be shown and then banning the actress several months later seems fuzzy.
Might as well ban the movie on opening day.

I agree.

Tang Wei can move to HK if she likes. Pianists Li Yundi, Lang Lang and actors Zhang Ziyi and Hu
Jun (of Lanyu fame) have already got HK citizenship.

Tang Wei speaks Cantonese quite well. She usually speaks in Cantonese on HK TV.

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wushijiao -

Here's a NPR review of Lust Caution.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=89494817

If you look at Metacritic (which compiles averages of movie reviews), Lust Caution got mediocre
reviews in most major US newspapers. A lot of reviewers thought the film was a bit boring. I think
the NPR reviewer captured why it was a good movie, and why it was fairly popular in Asia.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/title...lust%20caution

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Thursday, June 5, 2008

Learn mandarin - ZDT: Sound plugin problem - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Chinese Computing and Technology > ZDT Flashcards Forum

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I am running Ubuntu 7.10, and ZDT 0.7.0. I cannot get the sound plugin to work, everytime I put
the plugin-files in my plugin dir the program cannot find anything when restarting the program.
every window has a error sign on it (see attached file). however if I remove the .jar files from
the plugin directory, it works perfectly again. i have tried with roddy and the sound_0.2.0 file
separately, and with both of them in the plugins dir at the same time. the same thing happens no
matter how I do it...

the same thing happened when I tried it with the previous version of zdt.

And also, off topic, how do I get the annotator not to annotate 的 to dí, but de? and 好
sometimes comes with the 4th tone instead of the 3rd. i cant find a way to change this.

really love the new version, specially the flashcards!

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bogleg -

Hi Soffi,

Can you delete the sound-0.2.0.jar file? It is no longer compatible with 0.7.0. This was the
original sound plugin and has since been replaced by the net.sourceforge.zdt.sound.adso plugin. I
have now removed this original sound plugin download from the site since it's confusing.

Regarding your other issue, its sort of a dictionary thing. In the cedict dictionary, those
characters you mentioned have multiple entries in the dictionary which you can see in the tooltip.
In the pinyin display though, it's just showing the first one it finds. I'm open to suggestions on
improvements the way it displays things though.

Chris

soffi -

ah, the other sound plug-in did the trick. thank you for the quick reply!

maybe a drop-down menu when you click a character/syllable in the annotator, where you can choose
the suitable pinyin? at the moment, the character 大 annotates as dài, which is hardly the most
common pronunciation. it's no biggie really, but it would be a nice future feature :P

BaiYuehan -

Hello

I'm struggling to install the adso sound plugin for ZDT 0.7.0. (running XP).

I've downloaded the zip file, extracted the following 4 files and placed them in ..Program
Files/zdt/plugins;

jl1.0.jar......................105,446............18/07/2007 15:24
mp3spi1.9.4.jar..........24,538..............18/07/2007 15:24
pinyin_sounds.jar.......7,344,480..........18/07/2007 15:24
tritonus_share.jar.......102,723.............18/07/2007 15:24

but ZDT fails to load them. They don't show in the Help-> About ZDT screen, or in Sound ->
Preferences.

I've also tried deleting the Workspace and Configuration folders in my user area folder, but still
no show.

Do I need to manually register them in some way ?

Thanks for any help...

jbradfor -

For the adso plugin, don't extract the files from the .jar. Just copy the .jar file as-is into the
plugins directory (leaving it as one file), restart zdt, and enable it in zdt via
windows->preferences->sound

BaiYuehan -

Success at last...thanks for that ! The file type when I downloaded was .zip, and I assumed I had
to extract them first. Just renamed to .jar and it's working fine now...

jbradfor -

Great! Always glad to help a brother. I assume your last name, Bai, is 白? That's mine too. So
that makes us brothers :-)

But it's weird that you d/l it as a zip file.

BaiYuehan -

Thanks 弟兄 (btw, my Chinese is about the same level as my Java at the moment, not v good).

Yes, some mysterious force changes the file types from .jar to .zip

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Chinese Class - Sichuanese aka 四川话 - Page 2 - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Non-Mandarin Chinese

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Last quick note: I think it is weird that you two think it is the best sounding dialect, it is a
very ruff, gruff, a 刺耳 dialect.

That's exactly why I like it . . .

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Xiao Kui -

I don't like the way Sichuanhua sounds, but think it's gorgeous compared to Kunminghua.

But I'm weird, because I think Cantonese sounds beautiful!

BTW, love the title of your blog, kmmorr - that's one of my favorite idioms, and I think I almost
barked at the blue skies the summer I went home after my first year in CD.

kmmorr -

Xiao Kui--thanks, you're the first person who's mentioned that. It's never good for a blog about
China to not have "China" in it's title, but, oh well, like you I just really like that chengyu,
and I think it's a really fitting way to describe any foreigner's reactions to China.

realmayo -

Kmmorr: I read the Sichuanhua stuff on your website a few months ago, I thought it was fantastic,
not least because I couldn't find anything like it anywhere else. Glad to hear an update is in the
works (no pressure!).

dynaemu: I'd agree with everyone else, learn the standard language. but if you are somewhere where
they speak a dialect, it's always fun to learn at least a bit of that too -- partly because it
helps you work out if a phrase or a word you hear on the street is standard chinese or a variation.

what I find funny is that these days you wouldn't expect someone "educated" to say they were proud
about speaking "high quality" local language -- good putonghua is of course a primary indicator of
good education etc. and people can seem a bit snobbish about it.

but before putonghua was introduced, people spoke their local languages and I believe that those
who had good educations in particular would like to think they could speak it "better" than others.

I guess it's quite common to get teachers telling you off if local dialect inadvertently creeps
into your putonghua, so it's a shock if a professor, say, in his 70s or 80s tells you how high
quality (ie educated) his whavever-hua is.

kmmorr -

realmayo--I'm glad you found it useful--it was a labor of love, and I was pretty pessimistic about
the likelihood that people would find the site and/or find the primer to be useful. Actually, I'll
probably do some updates next week. I finished writing about four other sections of the primer
over four months ago, but I ended up spending so much time on the primer, that I forgot entirely
about my mandarin, which then regressed into a state of sucking. As people have observed, it's
better to work on Mandarin first, and indeed since then this is all I've been doing.

Now that I'm spending time with a lot more locals (read: my girlfriend's family) I'm finding I
really need to improve my sichuanhua, and so this will probably be enough to motivate me to finish
the primer

LaVandez -

Muyongshi when were there textbooks written in Sichuanhua? I studied in Chengdu but I never saw
any Sichuanhua textbooks which gets at your point but have you seen any? I would say that mostly
you can get by on Mandarin but you really wont be endeared unless you can understand some
Sichuanhua but for that you really need to be on the 5 to 10 year plan after you've first gotten
your putonghua down. However if you are in Chengdu you'll probably get okay with Sichuanhua but
not like the locals who do use it alot I think it's fun to hear it too by the way it used to be
off putting but it becomes pretty cool after a while.

muyongshi -

The only thing that I have ever come across was more of a academic/linguistic thing on 四川话
and not a learning tool and that was pointed out to me by Roddy at one point.... Let me see if I
can go find that....

Here

As you notice that thread was started by me in one of my early attempts at getting very serious in
my learning. My teacher has at different times given me some of foundation work in 四川话 and
that coupled with my time here and always picking up new words and phrases leaves me at a decent
place even before that attempt above. Every attempt that I have tried to do to learn more in a
very concentrated and focused effort has been met with a lack of a road in which to accomplish my
goals even though I am surrounded by native speakers. I ask my friends to talk to me more using
sichuanhua but when it comes down to it as we have no problems in communication in mandarin or
even in using 椒盐普通话 we just wind up using that as they don't want to have to be
explaining everything for the purpose of learning. Yes I would understand a high percentage of
what they said but that is not enough to rely "learn" as there is no ability to analyze large
amounts of data and continue with the learning process.

Needless to say, I learn at this point through vicarious learning which is way more than
sufficient! In regards to how you put it "endearded" it's not necessary. Learn madarin, they will
mainly understand you except for a few random ones and you will pick the basics up quickly but you
are right that if you want to learn both it is a 5-10 year investment but it's not about having
mandarin fully down first. You can pick up a lot at the same time especially as the two are both
part of the northern dialectal groups.

hunxueer -

you can find a couple sichuanhua listening tests on youtube, while we're on the topic. sichuan
university also offers an elective course in sichuanhua, but it's more of an academic study
conducted in mandarin than it is teaching students how to speak it.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

Chinese Lesson - Traditional Support - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Chinese Computing and Technology > Adsotrans.com Forum

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trevelyan -

We've fixed the issues with automatic traditional character recognition that character pointed out
in another thread. The updated code (and database) is available for download. Anything from
version v5-022 should work:

http://adsotrans.com/downloads/adso-v5.022.tar.gz

Have also edited our "advanced editing page" so that traditional characters can be edited. Right
now we will fail to parse traditional words if they do not exist in our database, even if the
simplified counterpart does. All about maintaining the integrity of the database.

Suggestions on how to improve the system for users/contributors who want to deal mostly with
traditional Chinese are welcome. Do we need separate editing and annotating pages? I'm not sure
but would like to make whatever changes are necessary to get the fanti crowd more involved.

More details on the Adso blog.

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Right now we will fail to parse traditional words if they do not exist in our database, even if
the simplified counterpart does. All about maintaining the integrity of the database.

Automatic conversion seems dauntingly difficult: http://www.cjk.org/cjk/c2c/c2cbasis.htm

I guess the internet could be harnessed to see if traditional "matches" exist for simplified
phrases. The results could be reviewed before inclusion in Adso.

trevelyan -

The academic team at ChinesePod is using some Adso-related tools to help with lesson preparation,
which is helping us flag some of the issues that still exist with duoyinci and pushing forward the
project.

Manual review is definitely critical. The best solution is really to find some people who are
interested in this sort of thing and are coming at text analysis from a fanti perspective. Then
religiously fixing the problems they complain about.

character -

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Then religiously fixing the problems they complain about.

Going entirely to apache licensing would be favorite.

---------------

./adso -f file1.txt --code --extra-code "<REDUCE> AND <PRINT chinese><PRINT / ><PRINT
chinese_utf8s><PRINT / ><PRINT chinese_utf8c><PRINT / ><PRINT english><PRINT / ><PRINT
pinyin><PRINT / ><PRINT myclass><PRINT newline>" > file2.txt

This produces an empty file. Do I need to be using the non-latin database for this to work?

Until this is fixed, is there any chance of an enhanced vocab mode which includes the pinyin in
addition to everything else it outputs?

-----------------

./adso -f file1.txt -ie utf8 -is traditional -oe utf8 -os traditional --vocab > file2.txt

1) Wenlin says file2.txt has ~1200 UTF-8 format violations
2) Wenlin seems to be saying that the "U+3000 Ideographic space" in the input is processed into
"U+FFFD Replacement character" (which displays as a control character).

trevelyan -

I'm generally happy to let people use the adso materials commercially provided they attribute the
materials and contribute back to the project. I don't think it's onerous to send an email asking
for permission.

On the traditional side, can you mail me the file you're using so that I can take a look at it
myself. email address is david.lancashire at google.com. I think the command is working for me so
I'd like to replicate things exactly. You are compiling from source right?

trevelyan -

Thanks to pressure from Mark at toshuo.com, the annotation engine is now outputting popups in
traditional characters (when input is traditional characters). Will be working on hooking up the
editing functionality for the traditional stuff later this week and will post when that's done.

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Chinese Mandarin - heavy vs light industry - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Chinese Culture > Chinese History

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82riceballs -

from China's Foreign Trade Reforms on google books, I read that:

"In the prereform period, China's economic policy focused primarily on the growth of heavy
industry, the sector which is considered to be a prerequisite of economic modernization. Such a
policy culminated in the government's launch of the Four Modernizations program in 1978. However,
the severe economic imbalance caused by the severe investment bias led the government to adopt a
readjustment program in 1979, aimed at promoting the growth of agriculture and light industry."

Did they suddenly switch to light industry so that people could make more money?

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Did they suddenly switch to light industry so that people could make more money?

No. But heavy industry needs much more state appropriation each year than light industry does.
Light industry can add more consumer goods, so in this way it can improve people’s daily life.
In those day, our country just put all its stress on heavy industry, so people had very little
consumer goods to choose in their daily life.

Cheers!

cdn_in_bj -

On a related note, the government has recently moved towards discouraging the proliferation of
polluting and resource-intensive industries.

82riceballs -

Thanks! I just have one question:

Quote:

But heavy industry needs much more state appropriation

What's state appropriation?

studentyoung -

Quote:

What's state appropriation?

Sorry, I think I should use “national financial allocation国家财政分配”. Does it work?
During the first allocation of the national income, a lion share will be given to heave industry
as re-production investment.

Cheers!

yonglin -

I think studentyoung's point might have been related to the fact that establishing heavy
industries (e.g., coal mines, chemical plants) involves higher fixed (start-up) cost than
establishing light industries (e.g., clothes, shoes, household items manufacturing).

The reason why China (just like other communist-style planned economies, like the former USSR) was
very concerned with developing heavy industry was because marxists believe that all kind of
social/economic development relies on technological progress. It also seem reasonable to believe
that the economy will grow faster if more of production is geared towards goods that are used in
other parts of the economy, than merely for consumption.

While these kinds of policy might work in some cases for some time, they typically result in
severe inefficiencies. It is very difficult for the government to estimate how many goods will be
produced, and by underestimating the need for light industry products (consumer goods), these got
very scarce and expensive.

The appropriate balance between heavy and light industry products depend on the characteristics of
each economy, its relative strengths and weaknesses. The Chinese economy, for instance, is endowed
with a massive labour force, and it turned out that it was internationally competetive in
producing labour-intensive consumer goods (like, what's being sold everywhere today).

82riceballs -

Thanks, guys! I understand now

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Learn mandarin - translation for my tattoo - Page 2 - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Chinese Tattoos, Chinese Names and Quick Translations

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wales23 -

ye ironic i know,but thats me im a walking contradiction anyway,plus im at a stage in my life
where ive gone through sum shit and im finally trying to find out who i am and finally realising
WHO I AM,and the things im getting into are never goin to change,but only time will
tell,lol.....imron what does that stand for??the characters u posted?

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imron what does that stand for??the characters u posted?

It means "like water", or "the same as water".

heifeng -

I have an idea, why don't you get a nice Asian-style fish tatoo. Fish live in water, so you are
like water, no? (not to mention one with the earth, etc... doesn't all that martial arts stuff
talk about this stuff....) Plus, this could actually turn out to be a cool tattoo and you could
then go and tell your whole inspiration for the tattoo still...search google for fish tatoos,
pretty fun

muyongshi -

Is this another one of your random rants heifeng??? I thoroughly enjoy them....

heifeng -

haha, thanks. I usually never try to dissuade people from getting tatt'd up, I just like to give
my two cents and there can be no argument about the correctness of a fish tattoo unless it has
legs!

wales23 -

doesn't all that martial arts stuff talk about this stuff.

obviously by using the word STUFF twice it has no meaning to you..its not stuff to me..thanks for
giving your idea to me,,but it means nothing to me..SORRY

heifeng -

stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff
stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff stuff stuffstuff
stuff stuffstuff stuff

let me know if you also need suggestions on a place to stuff the stuff.

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Chinese Mandarin - book titles - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Reading and Writing

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82riceballs -

i'm wondering how book titles are "written" in Chinese. in English, u would underline
(底線)or italicize (斜體)them.

eg:
That book is called Treasure Island.

or

That book is called Treasure Island.

is there any specific way in chinese that one would do that?

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yonglin -

with 《 》

e.g., 《红楼梦》是一部中国古典长篇小说。

Xiao Kui -

Sometimes book titles are put in special parentheses like this:
《金银岛》 or regular parentheses

By the way, does anyone know how to input those Chinese book title parentheses? The above example
is cut and paste - I only know how to input this cheap substitute:
<<宝岛>>

889 -

Are you using Windows?

If so, then start the Chinese (PRC) IME and head for the button on the language bar with a period
and a comma, then click it till it shows a Chinese-style period and comma. That sets input to
Chinese-style punction. Type "<" and ">" and you'll get 《 》.

pazu -

There was another punctuation marks for displaying names of books, I remember I was taught this
way when I was a kid but this style seems to be obsolete now.

﹏﹏

It's used like underline, but I guess it's not as easy as the 《 》 for printing purpose. Check
this page out also:

http://tinyurl.com/2necgr

Lu -

Quote:

﹏﹏

I've seen that a lot, but only in reprints of old books, as in, ancient classical Chinese books
that get re-set and reprinted. The books that also underline (or rather sideline, as they are
usually printed up-down right-left) all proper names in the text: ___.

Shadowdh -

Also in English you can use quotation marks... "Treasure Island" for example...

yonglin -

Quote:

Also in English you can use quotation marks... "Treasure Island" for example...

Actually, I was taught that quotation marks should be used for parts of works, such as journal
articles, book chapters or parts of anthologies, whilst italics/underline is used for names of
works. This might depend on the particular referencing system you're adhering to though.

muyongshi -

Yeah, it is not an appropriate usage. It needs to be underlined but due to a decline in the
quality of our general education system more and more people just freely write whatever they feel
like writing.

Just like in Chinese the only appropriate way (I mean modern usage) is to use 《》

82riceballs -

Quote:

Actually, I was taught that quotation marks should be used for parts of works, such as journal
articles, book chapters or parts of anthologies, whilst italics/underline is used for names of
works. This might depend on the particular referencing system you're adhering to though.

WOW! You sure know your grammar!

Anyways, thanks for all the input, guys! 謝謝大家!《 》

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Monday, June 2, 2008

Chinese Lesson - How would you say "put in a good word for me" - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Speaking and Listening

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Just like the title says, how would you say "put in a good word for me".

For example you are looking for a job and you have a friend who works for a company and you want
him to put in a good word for you with the boss.

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elina -

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you want him to put in a good word for you with the boss.

I think it is: 帮我向老板说些好话 or 帮我美言几句

Koneko -

You may also consider, "向你老板推荐我一下".
I think, there are quite a few ways you can say it in Chinese.

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